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		<title>By: Dona Stebbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dona Stebbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$100,000 here, and $100,000 there - and pretty soon they have frittered away $535,000 (that they admit to)on a failed event...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$100,000 here, and $100,000 there &#8211; and pretty soon they have frittered away $535,000 (that they admit to)on a failed event&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Suicyde</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfalls.com/index.php/2005/08/07/i-saw-the-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Suicyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong... there is a nice sign if you continue on from highway 200 to 10th ave south. (I turn at 57th over to 2nd &amp; head home so I missed it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong&#8230; there is a nice sign if you continue on from highway 200 to 10th ave south. (I turn at 57th over to 2nd &amp; head home so I missed it.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Raving Norseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Raving Norseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 04:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welllllll, I know a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; something about CTEP programs and such, since The Missus works for a highway construction company and I used to be involved in an organization centering around beautification of city entrances and roadways. 

First off, like most government funding, CTEP is CTEP and other programs are other programs and never the twain shall meet. In other words, no matter how much we&#039;d rather the jail be on the north side or how much we&#039;d rather an intersection be improved, the $100,000 spent on this project was &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; going to be spent on those things, so we&#039;re talking apples and oranges. What CTEP really is is a sub-program of those massive highway funding programs that occasionally get through Congress, and if memory serves, it grew out of an attempt to make up for all the gravel-and-cement outrages of the 60s and 70s. I&#039;m not defending it so much as pointing out what it is: a mixture of pork and PR.

As for the cost, that&#039;s not surprising at all. In my assocation with that beautification group, we entered into a joint project with the River&#039;s Edge Trail. We bought and planted some trees and flowers along a &lt;i&gt;one-eighth-mile&lt;/i&gt; stretch of the trail, and it cost $1,500! And that was with discounts! Looking at the sign, I see landscaping, design, electricity (someone had to run a wire for the lights, and that means running conduit under the street and setting up a service), and masonry. Add in those nice governmental mandates for all the contractors involved in a highway project --Davis-Bacon wages (about $19.00 an hour!), OSHA oversight, a mountain of paperwork, and extremely strict environmental regulations-- and you&#039;ll get to $100,000 pretty quickly.

And suicyde, I imagine there&#039;ll be a new and improved entrance sign on the east side within a couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welllllll, I know a <i>little</i> something about CTEP programs and such, since The Missus works for a highway construction company and I used to be involved in an organization centering around beautification of city entrances and roadways. </p>
<p>First off, like most government funding, CTEP is CTEP and other programs are other programs and never the twain shall meet. In other words, no matter how much we&#8217;d rather the jail be on the north side or how much we&#8217;d rather an intersection be improved, the $100,000 spent on this project was <i>never</i> going to be spent on those things, so we&#8217;re talking apples and oranges. What CTEP really is is a sub-program of those massive highway funding programs that occasionally get through Congress, and if memory serves, it grew out of an attempt to make up for all the gravel-and-cement outrages of the 60s and 70s. I&#8217;m not defending it so much as pointing out what it is: a mixture of pork and PR.</p>
<p>As for the cost, that&#8217;s not surprising at all. In my assocation with that beautification group, we entered into a joint project with the River&#8217;s Edge Trail. We bought and planted some trees and flowers along a <i>one-eighth-mile</i> stretch of the trail, and it cost $1,500! And that was with discounts! Looking at the sign, I see landscaping, design, electricity (someone had to run a wire for the lights, and that means running conduit under the street and setting up a service), and masonry. Add in those nice governmental mandates for all the contractors involved in a highway project &#8211;Davis-Bacon wages (about $19.00 an hour!), OSHA oversight, a mountain of paperwork, and extremely strict environmental regulations&#8211; and you&#8217;ll get to $100,000 pretty quickly.</p>
<p>And suicyde, I imagine there&#8217;ll be a new and improved entrance sign on the east side within a couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfalls.com/index.php/2005/08/07/i-saw-the-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 02:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, G and Andrea...I figure that 99% of the folks entering GF from Hwy 87 know exactly that they are entering Great Falls.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, G and Andrea&#8230;I figure that 99% of the folks entering GF from Hwy 87 know exactly that they are entering Great Falls.</p>
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		<title>By: Suicyde</title>
		<link>http://www.greaterfalls.com/index.php/2005/08/07/i-saw-the-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Suicyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Gee here...Why didn&#039;t we put the pretty jail on that route &amp; the cool new sign on the interstate? Why isn&#039;t there a nice sign on the highway200 side? I was greeted by the standard ugly green &quot;entering great falls&quot; sign all the last year. ugh.
If we are spending $100,000 on signs what are they spending on the really importanat things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Gee here&#8230;Why didn&#8217;t we put the pretty jail on that route &amp; the cool new sign on the interstate? Why isn&#8217;t there a nice sign on the highway200 side? I was greeted by the standard ugly green &#8220;entering great falls&#8221; sign all the last year. ugh.<br />
If we are spending $100,000 on signs what are they spending on the really importanat things?</p>
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		<title>By: GeeGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I would be curious as to how many people come into GF from the Old Havre Highway/US 87, vs. the interstate or 200?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I would be curious as to how many people come into GF from the Old Havre Highway/US 87, vs. the interstate or 200?</p>
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